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- From: Jeff Sutherland <jsutherland@vmark.com>
- Newsgroups: comp.lang.java,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.smalltalk
- Subject: Re: Will Java kill C++?
- Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 12:32:53 -0500
- Organization: VMARK Software
- Message-ID: <31582A45.3742@vmark.com>
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- RjB wrote:
- >
- > >Java is here to stay and is moving forward at a pace the Smalltalk
- > >market can't even comprehend. So quit whining about how Smalltalk can
- > >do all the things Java can do. No one cares about Smalltalk!
- > >
- >
- > Aside from the flamebait, I'm just wondering if any
- > systems have been built in Java of sizes approaching those built in
- > Smalltalk. Because, to my mind, it's really when you're
- > programming-in-the-humungous that development systems prove
- > themselves.
- >
- > -rj
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-
- Systems the size of many large Smalltalk systems have not begun to be built in
- Java. The guys at Sun will tell you its not ready for prime time yet. They would
- like to deescalate the hype a little bit.
-
- Java doesn't even have a modern garbage collector and its performance is
- terrible, 10-30 times slower than C. Borland intends to fix this before year's end.
-
- There is a benchmark in this month's Smalltalk Report showing how a Smalltalk
- application can be tuned to run *faster* than C.
-
- That said, there will be more compiler development going on in Java over the
- next few years than any other language, so it will eventually get there.
-
- I expect that many C++ programmers will begin to use Java as an application language
- with C++ seamlessly interfaced as the object-oriented assembler, which is what it was
- designed for in the first place.
-
- The beauty of Java is that it is Smalltalk for C++ programmers. We need it.
- --
- Jeff Sutherland
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